And these kids get burned out, right, because they don't get to be a kid, their whole life is basically nothing but therapy. I think our job as a practitioner is to be an educator. Autism, it's growing, it's putting a massive burden, and I don't use that as any negative way, really. On families, families are being broken, siblings are getting neglected in care because of, maybe, you know, a sibling is having these erratic behaviors, and I think that it's our job to try to figure out a solution to try to help these families out.

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It seems, if I'm correct, you're not trying to hog all this to yourself, but you actually want to share all this, your research, your tools, you know, the Resi Max, all these tools that you, you have, you're, you're, you're actually wanting to share this with other practitioners. Is that, does that seem accurate?

Yeah. Well, you know, I have a whole different background in this stuff, because I witnessed this with my mom, right? My, my brother was a vaccine-injured child, and my mom literally went all over the United States seeking help, and she was literally getting kicked out of doctor's office is crying, asking them to literally just look deeper, right. So, and I witnessed this, right, and I spent my whole kind of young childhood watching my mom and my brother's interaction. My mom doing everything in her power to get my brother out, and I told her, I said, "You know, I'm going to make sure that parents who come into my world, at least they're going to get as much information as possible, and then if we can take this to doctors, and then doctors back to parents, you know, it's it's basically trying to be the solution that my mom didn't have,

that seems right on course for what you're, you're building with the the Neuro Sage Hub platform, because it's an education first platform, and, and I love that you're, you're, you're saying, 'Hey, it's a team effort, you know, you're you're not, you're not a speech therapist, and they're probably going to want a speech therapist on the team, you know. Is there a, is there a recommended, so that they don't get stuck in an overwhelm of, like, oh my gosh, I got to like line up 10 people today, is there kind of a, hey, this is this is where you would recommend they start, build that platform first, and then move to the next

one. Yeah, I think the first thing, as a parent, it really needs to center around education, though, right? It's because if a parent becomes educated and she understands the playing field, right, and I tell a parent all the time that you need to do is just go look up, it's called the developmental pyramid, and it's how the child's brain develops, doesn't matter what age they are, it's basically there's only a pyramid on how the brain stacks to build, and you start from the bottom and you work your way all the way up, which means that really you're naturally typically going to go into physical therapy and occupational therapy, because speech is actually a little bit higher up, and the physical therapist and the occupational therapist, they're going to start working on like primitive reflexes and sensory stimulation, because if you look at a parent, right, and you ask her her weekly schedule, she's got speech therapy, she's got PT, she's got OT, she's got ABA therapy, she's gotta find some sort of time to be able to get her kid in to go to, you know, a either a general practitioner or maybe the psychologist, and that's literally five days a week non stop, and you know, mom's running here and she's running across town, she's gotta go two hours away to this doctor, right, and these kids get burnt out, right, because they don't get to be a kid. Their whole life is basically nothing but therapy. I think our job as a practitioner is to be an educator. Autism, it's growing, it's putting a massive burden, and I don't use that as any negative way, really. On families, families are being broken, siblings are getting neglected in care because of maybe you know a sibling is having these erratic behaviors and I think that it's our job to try to figure out a solution to try to help these families out

that takes a lot of work and what what encouragement or direction would you give practitioners you know helping parents get through this and how do they coach a parent to deal with, with, with all these changes?

Early, my early experience, right? I didn't know how to navigate a kid with ASD. You know, traditional rehab teaches you, you know, you're going to see someone three times a week for maybe 12 week sessions, right, or maybe a couple of months, and these kids, right, if you, if you go and lead something like that with the family, and you are not able to fully get these kids, whatever their expectation was, that right, they're gonna, they're all to someone else, and you know, I always tell people this, now from a practitioner standpoint, that the goal is basically to work, in my opinion, it's an annual goal and annual. Goals are going to be that we're going to go year by year, and as long as you can show outcomes right, you're going to have a parent that's going to stay and be compliant, right, because they're seeing their kid get better, but if you're doing the same thing repetitively over and over again, and you're not seeing that this kid's getting better, then my opinion is that's where you need to look up either referring them to someone else who maybe that can start looking a little bit deeper, or maybe has a bit more experience, and whatever that may be, that issue they're dealing with, but it's not the end game, and we got to kind of learn how to pass the baton. If I know that I can get you to here, right, and I get you to hear, but I don't know where else to get you here, I don't want to waste your time. My goal is to basically go find someone else who can basically take you to here, even myself, right? I have a multi-specialty team and approach in this thing, because I'm not a medical doctor. I knew a lot about neurological rehab and have a lot of awareness as to this whole nutritional gut-brain connection, but that's not my specialty, right? So I went and found a gut specialist who could basically play his part in his role in that, just like I have a neurologist, traditional medical neurologist that plays her part in just this right here. You know, we use prescription medications with these kids. Then I have, you know an internal medicine doctor who's looking at everything, who's phenomenal, and he's over here, right. And then I have great speech therapists and PTs, right, but we work together in unison, and you know, I think that for doctors out there that are really looking to take this to the next level, and I really think that getting into a multi specialty approach or clinical model, it really is a great model to get in, because what it is, it becomes a one-stop shop for these families.

It's fun to watch you talk about this, because it also gives like perfect segue to the fact that you're building this, you're building this neurostage hub. Parents can actually go there, find the education they need and find practitioners that are going to be aligned in the same location, so they can actually share, you know, whatever progress the parents are sharing in that hub gets distributed to whoever their team is, and it seems,

yeah, look at looking basically for an incredible community of doctors that want to really make significant impacts on the world of autism. Go to Neurosage hub.com and we have a practitioner and clinician and therapist tab. Thing here is that it's not just about the video games, too, right? We basically have also built into the software lots of other education, and what we decided to do is to basically write help these clinicians be able to kind of decipher, because there's also practitioners out there who don't know anything about ASD, and we want you guys to be able to at least have a safe, you know, service that you can at least be able to start using video games that are safe for these kids, but also, too, from an educational standpoint. I mean, my world always tell parents this: look at your child's face really study your child's face, and facial tone is a direct reflection of what's going on inside the brain. So you want to mature the face, and that means the eyes, the nose, the face. You want the head up, you want the tongue, you want the neck. You want to mature the face, and when you mature the face, you start to mature the brain, and all you people who you know, even doctors that you know, I've lectured, and they are like, oh, this is hog washers, make while said, all right, well, let's just do this. When a baby comes out of the womb, why can't they hold their head upright? And they're like, I don't know, and I'm like, well, I'm giving you an explanation of this, right? Is because what happens is, is the baby really doesn't even know where their face and their tongue is, right? Because we got to put a bottle to their mouth or even a breast, right? And as they start sucking on a bottle or even the breast, what it does is that repetition for two to three months of doing this starts making the brain aware where the face and the tongue is, and the nerve right inside of that is the inner ear that controls their head, so you got domino, doom, doom, doom, doom, so as the brain basically starts recognizing, then everything starts to basically flow, right, so then fast forward, you go to, as you age, what happens to your facial tone, right, you lose the elasticity in your face, your face gets saggy, and then what happens is you lose your balance, right? And then eventually you'll end up in a wheelchair. So, I say that because there's a lot of parents out there in the world that literally need our help, and we want to do whatever we can to basically ease that pain, and if we can get that kid to get a voice, or that kid to start learning how to defend for themselves or that kid can start communicating, which means that you know we changed a life, or maybe even multiple wives, probably 60 to 75% of the world starts to go on this one lane, because parents are really asking questions, right, they're not asking why, and then as these parents start to go in this little lane, as just like. Okay, I get the diagnosis based off of, you know, these assessments that maybe the school even recommends this, and then you start doing this, but then now all of a sudden in therapy you start noticing that, you know, one of the friends peeled off a little bit, and the friend basically is not in therapy near as often as she was, and she's going to see a new doctor, right, and that new doctor is basically going to say, "Hey, look, we're going to look at a comprehensive aspect of autism, and what we're going to do is that we're going to look at and talk to you about diet, we're going to talk about, you know, nutrition, we're going to talk about vitamins, and then that person right there comes in, and she's like, "Hey, I went to see this doctor, and he ran a stool sample, and my kid has a parasite, and this thing called leaky gut, and he's got a lot of inflammation in his stomach, and then he's going to say, "I want you to basically go on this diet modification, right? And then that parent right there starts seeing these improvements, because she's making a change that she's never done before.

The statue of David. Do you know that analogy? So, when they asked him how he created the statue of David, he said, I took the marble and I removed everything from the marble that was not David. And you talked, yeah, you talked earlier about like taking these kids and and pulling them out, and and they're there, like that, they have a whole person in there that, that, that wants to come out to its to its best self, and and I love that, that hope as a parent of saying, you know what, my son can, can, can achieve more and do more if I help, if I help pull him out of, of those, those things that are holding him back. So, so I love that analogy.

A doctor can be the best doctor in his hometown if that's what he chooses to be. A doctor can be the best doctor in the entire state if that's what he chooses to be. A doctor be the best doctor in the United States, if that's what he chooses to be a doctor, he'd be the best doctor in the entire world, if that's what he chooses to be, and he just told me this, he said that the level of thinking that you do on a consistent basis eventually surfaces into basically your reality, he said, so think small, have a smaller reality, think big, have a bigger reality, and he said, and you have the right to choose, and that book is very similar to that, because at the end of the day, you know our level of thinking basically really kind of determines basically our playing field, and you know my goal here is to really make a significant impact globally, and what I do is I literally think massively big. I have literally my office right here. I have globes, I have globes in every room in my clinic. Even my little kids have maps of the entire world, and yeah, I believe in neuroplasticity. You repetitively stimulate the brain eventually enough, it develops a memory, and then it starts reproducing those type of results. So yeah, I just think that doctors need to think big, and you know, again, I even think it's even thinking the way you know of ourselves, so

appreciate your perspective, that's exactly what we're looking for.